Great die-off

I thought I'd reply to RB's question or remark in a thread I started a while ago titled World Ages and Spiritual Development here in General Thread link, with questions and remarks...
because this deserves its own thread.

I've heard this theme of a great die-off reiterated from various sources independent from each other, such as a Zen Master in Korea quoted years ago, several intuitives and psychics here in Hungary, friends in the conspiracy world abroad - and SR (RR) in these favorite forums of mine.

When such divergent sources bring up the same thought, it would make sense that something will happen - only, the numbers, proportions, the means and ways are changing.

The Zen master was the at the time the head of the most radically spiritual lineage of Korea, and shortly before his passing from the Earth plane, he was overheard by a Hungarian Zenner in conversation with his chosen successor.

He was asked by his successor if "karma" or collective fate or whatever it is in Korean, was still heading towards a lot of people dying. He said yes, it was close to 40%.
Then they kept their silence about this in public and in all teachings, and the Hungarian teacher also confided this only in a private conversation years ago. I think he was not in a position to ask open questions about this... When I said a few years ago that I thought it was possible, he cited this story with a heavy heart.

An incredible number, the greatest die-off ever witnessed in human history. However, recently on these boards I think I read 80%.
That's a lot of people, comes close to six billion - more than there were alive when I was born.

Reasons vary - the greatest war of mankind, environmental pollution, genetically messed up food plants, and designer viruses getting free of laboratories.

So if you think this is an impossible thought - well, maybe not that impossible. Take the bee colonies for example - way too many bees are born with defective wings (and the purported reason is complex, based on too much mixing, mites etc.). No one apart from stark mad would wish this to happen but it could...

One thing I learned long ago is that it's almost impossible to gather evidence about the precautions that are now being taken by medical, military, and political establishments all over the world to prevent a great die-off.
And lacking this information, there's really not much use trying to discuss the probabilities that such a die off will occur.

re: "One thing I learned long ago is that it's almost impossible to gather evidence about the precautions that are now being taken by medical, military, and political establishments all over the world to prevent a great die-off.
And lacking this information, there's really not much use trying to discuss the probabilities that such a die off will occur."

Not much, but there is some little. I like making the circles around the subjects before I am prepared to zoom in...
One thing a wise old woman told me recently whose hobby is learning about animals was that the entire species is in a phase similar to when insects do a swarm.

This ties crosswise in with the other topic World Ages marked in the OP - Dwapara - the modern age - makes a sudden growth of population but our tendency to destroy has also gained momentum. We had never had events in known history like the Holocaust or Mao's campaign, despite the flagrant cruelty of the Middle Ages and Roman times.

The logic is that mixing the entire globe so quickly will lead to disastrous results among other results which will surely bring fruit in the long run in the building of a truly humane civilization (which I hope is not as far as Yukteswar suggested with his circular theory).

The bees are an example now. I read about this for years but this article now was scarier.

"A new analysis of one of the most widespread honeybee viruses, deformed wing virus, or DWV, shows that the virus has gone from an endemic to a global epidemic because of greater movement of a major vector, the Varroa mite. The mite has spread in large part due to human trade of the bee colonies it infests." Science on DWV

The study shows that human trade is the most likely culprit. Now this is inconceivable so fast - many things will not get pollinated if we let this virus cross boundaries. We cannot pollinate all the fruits and stuff everywhere by hand... though no doubt it will give work to many people if we took it seriously and get organized. But right now governments are busy trying to conclude a free trade agreement between the US and the EU...

In a way, this is similar to the globalization the outsourcing of work to China and other countries wherever a dominator model is working. Theocratic models are working a Last Battle and flooding us - quantity over quality.

I do not know however why this great migration is taking place now. I understand Syria and Afghanistan but I just read a lot of refugees are breaking through Hungary's controversial border defense right now. Another piece of recent news was that most of the people recently registered in one of the EU countries are from - India and Pakistan...

What? Is there a war going on anywhere there? Or is this something like a global swarm? The imbalances were there already decades ago... Why now?

Ik seems you've nah understood
zhe meaning i was ekprezsing in
my pos in your "World age and
spiritual development" thread

So here's my pos if a second
reading proves more intelligible

"RR#15 : "My Guides say that calculations of this sort are steps in the wrong direction, because they are based on the idea that the universe is creating itself according to a single plan or paradigm, when in reality the evolutionary process is much more complex than this. Plus, the predictions you're citing are assuming that there won't be outside intervention with the process ... which of course there always has been and always will be. And they also predict that the great die-off is just a few years away, and in fact could begin at almost any time. "

"Great" die off... a few years awa..., at any time... ! .... i feel RR and his guides have such a sense of humor zha would make any pessimis roll on ze floor ! yeah we mus keep on atking for all, and good "

RB, I don't know the truth and the truth keeps on changing.
But something tells me that the imbalance will end in something falling off the table for many people in some way. Still, I'm glad someone has some optimism - hope you will be proven right.

Perhaps we have caused the 'great die off' ourselves by thinking it is ok to have as many children as we want. Overpopulation is depleting Earths resources, causing Earth to fight back with natural disasters, diseases, and different weather patterns.
Perhaps the die off is nothing more than Earth cleaning house.

reg, #3, re: "One thing a wise old woman told me recently whose hobby is learning about animals was that the entire [human] species is in a phase similar to when insects do a swarm."

IMO, there's lots of evidence to support this idea. The Age of Discovery was definitely a series of such a swarms, and it's easy to overlook the fact the new colonies were not all planted in sparesly-populated areas, or in areas with untapped but easily accessible natural resources. A great many of the early European colonies in the New World involved occupying territory that was already densly populated by Native Americans and spreading the propagation of their food crops all over the world. And the same was true in India, both Northeast and Southeast Asia, and Indonesia, with local European colonies that facilitated the world-wide trade in spices, herbal medications such as opium, tea, rubber, etc. contributed heavily to the creation of modern technological civilization. However not enough is now known about the swarms that are beginning to take place now to identify their exact causes or the course of their future development.

re: "This ties crosswise in with the other topic World Ages marked in the OP - Dwapara - the modern age - makes a sudden growth of population but our tendency to destroy has also gained momentum. We had never had events in known history like the Holocaust or Mao's campaign, despite the flagrant cruelty of the Middle Ages and Roman times."

I disagree. There's ample historical and archaeoloical evidence that highly exploitative conquests and genocide have occurred at regular intervals as long as large highly organized human civilizations have existed.

re: "The logic is that mixing the entire globe so quickly will lead to disastrous results among other results which will surely bring fruit in the long run in the building of a truly humane civilization (which I hope is not as far as Yukteswar suggested with his circular theory)."

IMO, it's necessary to add in the reduction of the Earth's human population to just a couple of billion people to the mix. I am convinced that this WILL happen and that it will have massive impact on what the new civiliation will be like.

re: "The bees are an example now. I read about this for years but this article now was scarier. 'A new analysis of one of the most widespread honeybee viruses, deformed wing virus, or DWV, shows that the virus has gone from an endemic to a global epidemic because of greater movement of a major vector, the Varroa mite. The mite has spread in large part due to human trade of the bee colonies it infests.' Science on DWV. The study shows that human trade is the most likely culprit. Now this is inconceivable so fast - many things will not get pollinated if we let this virus cross boundaries. We cannot pollinate all the fruits and stuff everywhere by hand... though no doubt it will give work to many people if we took it seriously and get organized. But right now governments are busy trying to conclude a free trade agreement between the US and the EU..."

If you look more closely, you'll find that the problem mostly involves the honebees that are actually just a breed of domestic animal, created by human beings over thousands of years, with escaping warms establishing lots of feral colonies all over the world. If this species becomes extinct, which I suspect is actually very unlikely, insects of hundreds of different species will step in to do the pollenating, without human beings needing to be directly involved.

re: "In a way, this is similar to the globalization the outsourcing of work to China and other countries wherever a dominator model is working. Theocratic models are working a Last Battle and flooding us - quantity over quality."

This is true on the economic level, but there's no sign sign it's occurring on the level of new theocratic religions establishing themselves. Notice that neither Nazi-style fascism nor Soviet-style socialism became self-perpetuating theocratic religions the way jehadist Islam, totalitarian Catholicism, or right-wing fundamental Protestantism did during the Medieval and early Modern periods. And it appears that the process is self-limiting on the economic level, because increased wealth tends to produce an economy where abundance rather than scarcity becomes the rule.

re: "I do not know however why this great migration is taking place now. I understand Syria and Afghanistan but I just read a lot of refugees are breaking through Hungary's controversial border defense right now. Another piece of recent news was that most of the people recently registered in one of the EU countries are from - India and Pakistan... What? Is there a war going on anywhere there? Or is this something like a global swarm? The imbalances were there already decades ago... Why now?"

I don't have any real answers to these question yet: it looks like pieces of information vital to framing theories about "what's happening here and now" haven't yet started surfacing in the news...

I was so stricken by this year's flu that on some days I could not even sit up or do basic kitchen chores or walk the dog. When I got better I started to work again, mainly translation and skype, but immediately there was a strong fallback. The main problem is that despite the extreme weakness I can barely sleep effectively because this bug affects my stomach too and it has been so for almost six weeks now, plus it took at least that many weeks to incubate.
In the process I totally forgot that there were important remark on another thread (Short trip and long) a few weeks ago...

E.g. this answer there in RealityRebel's #7:

"This is a classified project run by spirits from advanced ET civilizations
who don't incarnate on Earth, so the only information about it I can
give you is to repeat the bits and snippets I've been able to channel
over the years. Yes, it's going to be the simultaneous outbreak of
many different contagious diseases all over the world during a short
period of time, but it's expected the that majority of the people living in
the more advanced Western countries will survive. This is really all
I've ever been able to say on this, and there haven't been any updates
of the old information for years. Giving more details would actually be
a step backwards, not forwards."

regmelocco wrote:

I was so stricken by this year's flu that on some days I could not even sit up or do basic kitchen chores or walk the dog. When I got better I started to work again, mainly translation and skype, but immediately there was a strong fallback. The main problem is that despite the extreme weakness I can barely sleep effectively because this bug affects my stomach too and it has been so for almost six weeks now, plus it took at least that many weeks to incubate.
In the process I totally forgot that there were important remark on another thread (Short trip and long) a few weeks ago...

E.g. this answer there in RealityRebel's #7:

"This is a classified project run by spirits from advanced ET civilizations
who don't incarnate on Earth, so the only information about it I can
give you is to repeat the bits and snippets I've been able to channel
over the years. Yes, it's going to be the simultaneous outbreak of
many different contagious diseases all over the world during a short
period of time, but it's expected the that majority of the people living in
the more advanced Western countries will survive. This is really all
I've ever been able to say on this, and there haven't been any updates
of the old information for years. Giving more details would actually be
a step backwards, not forwards."

At this point, I don't know if the start of the Great Die off is weeks away
or years away, but there's no doubt that the biological precursor
events are already well underway. I have no idea to what extent
these are being orchestrated by living people and to what extent
by spiritual forces on the Other Side, but it sure does look to me
like they've begun.

Frankly I would rather die, than continue in an overpopulated world full of barbarians that kill each other and justify it by calling it war.

Skytiger wrote:

Frankly I would rather die, than continue in an overpopulated world full of barbarians that kill each other and justify it by calling it war.

Yes! More and more good people are starting to post similar
opinions on line or mention them on the media. Right now,
I'm expecting some kind of major event involving astral
psionic technology to occur very soon, meaning in days
or weeks, not months or years. And I'm hoping that when
it does, the public reactions will be positive, not negative.

I had the same feelings as Skytiger over the past few days.
Not only this, but the correct way of thinking about death is liberating - we are immortal and we should not hold on to dear life below a certain level of dignity. For me, already being homeless is like that. I will never wait for the bouncers to arrive at my doorstep.

All humane measures and expectations are violently disturbed in an overpopulated society.
If human beings are unneeded and unintegrated in society, it does not matter to give them rights or decent wages or anything.
As I mentioned before, I simply do not understand why people have children when they have no basis for a living - food, shelter or a job.
To me the chakras are aligned like first chakra is security and second chakra is sex and relating to the other gender, not the reverse.
So if you have no independent adult existence, you are in a child status and should not beget children. It is as simple as this.
Plus there are contraceptives, masturbation, many other sexual techniques etc. that do not result in unneeded masses on this Earth.

True, there is a reverse order from the sky down (to refine this further) but that should not bring earthly results...

So, again tor rhyme with Sky's thought, I do not want to live in a world like that... if the cosmos wants me to live on here it can provide me a living - I am doing my part and if the cosmos stops supporting me I will stop fighting. No squabbles.

reg, #12, re: "I had the same feelings as Skytiger over the past few days. Not only this, but the correct way of thinking about death is liberating - we are immortal and we should not hold on to dear life below a certain level of dignity. For me, already being homeless is like that. I will never wait for the bouncers to arrive at my doorstep."

My past life and pre life memories make this attitude my default mode. "Death before dishonor" is just as constructive a maxim as "Love your neighbor as yourself." And right now, it's not hard for me to imagine being killed in a Second Civil War, fighting against people whose goal is to prove that, "black lives don't matter".

re: "All humane measures and expectations are violently disturbed in an overpopulated society. If human beings are unneeded and unintegrated in society, it does not matter to give them rights or decent wages or anything. As I mentioned before, I simply do not understand why people have children when they have no basis for a living - food, shelter or a job. To me the chakras are aligned like first chakra is security and second chakra is sex and relating to the other gender, not the reverse."

Yes! This is as good a technical spiritual explanation of the need for population control as I've ever seen. The first chakra is indeed the origin of the "fight or flight" instinct and should alway trump the second chakra instinct which is, "I'd rather fuck than fight."

re: "So if you have no independent adult existence, you are in a child status and should not beget children. It is as simple as this. Plus there are contraceptives, masturbation, many other sexual techniques etc. that do not result in unneeded masses on this Earth."

The problem is that strong hormonal instructions for both heterosexual intercourse and having children are programmed into the genes of every man and woman, and being in a child status on the social level doesn't change this.

re: "True, there is a reverse order from the sky down (to refine this further) but that should not bring earthly results..."

IMO, it's important to remember that "As above, so below" and "As below, so above" are not separate concepts, but the two halves of a single whole.

re: "So, again tor rhyme with Sky's thought, I do not want to live in a world like that... if the cosmos wants me to live on here it can provide me a living - I am doing my part and if the cosmos stops supporting me I will stop fighting. No squabbles."

I've always felt exactly the same, and so far the cosmos has provided for me. However, I don't expect this to continue for much longer, and I'll actually be surprised if I'm still in this body a year from now.

RR

The problem is that strong hormonal instructions for both heterosexual intercourse and having children are programmed into the genes of every man and woman, and being in a child status on the social level doesn't change this.

Sky

There are some of us who don't have a want for children. I'm one. Never even liked being around them.
Heck I didn't even like kids when I was a kid.
Saw a show once where humans were born at 18. They were formed in a glass enclosure and also taught everything they needed to know before birth.  I thought that was a great idea.
Sometimes I think I came from a planet where that was normal.


I hope your around more than a year RR

sky, #14, re: "There are some of us who don't have a want for children. I'm one. Never even liked being around them. Heck I didn't even like kids when I was a kid."

I've always felt the same, and on the operational level, I was never a child in this lifetime. I gained access to past life memories at the age of four that essentially gave me an adult personality structure, and was raised by Spiritualists who were completely comfortable with this. My Spirit Guides also told me at early age that all the usual measures of earthly success had to be closed to me so I could do the job assigned to me for this incarnation without going crazy or becomming morally corrupt. I was never supposed to have children, become rich or famous, or even have a permanent home or career. However, I never felt any signficant tempation to break these rules: they always seemed to fit the lifestyles I fell into nturally.

re: "Saw a show once where humans were born at 18. They were formed in a glass enclosure and also taught everything they needed to know before birth. I thought that was a great idea. Sometimes I think I came from a planet where that was normal."

I had dreams and daydreams showing such things from early childhood up until I started channeling the WiH book, when I was directly told that I had indeed lived many of my past lives in ET civilzations where such practices were the rule.

RR#15 : "re: "Saw a show once where humans were born at 18. They were formed in a glass enclosure and also taught everything they needed to know before birth. I thought that was a great idea. Sometimes I think I came from a planet where that was normal."

I had dreams and daydreams showing such things from early childhood up until I started channeling the WiH book, when I was directly told that I had indeed lived many of my past lives in ET civilzations where such practices were the rule."

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Ladies's well being & also an adaptative response 2 particular circumstances such
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If any ewenkual disinfo i also want 2 poink ouk zha Hyper Lady DB Antares has had a regular
youzh and she showed me a lok of unmistakable photograph of herself as a baby, child, teen etc..

I've jus been told zha codename Luki was akually wondering about codename SI life goal.

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Frankly :

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