Agree or Disagree??

The world a better place would be if all religions fell and only love was left.

(Wanted to do a pole, but couldn't find how to do it.)

Skytiger wrote:

The world a better place would be if all religions fell and only love was left.

(Wanted to do a pole, but couldn't find how to do it.)

If you are defining religion as "faith-based belief in deities, miracles, and other supernatural phenomena", I agree with you.

IMO, the spiritualistic model of the afterlife that I support can be supported with enough evidence to make it part of the natural world.

And I'm not sure what you mean by a "pole". If you mean some kind of emoticon or other graphic, you can post one here using the same methods you use to post any other picture.

However, if you are talking about doing "a poll", you start by clicking on "New Topic" as you do when starting any new discussion thread, by typing the title of the thread on the "Title of the topic" line.

Then you scroll down the page until you come to the section that mentions polls, and enter the question you want the poll to answer.

Below that, is a blank labeled "poll options" where you can list the alternative answers readers can vote on in the poll.

So I suggest that you create a new thread with this same title with word "Poll" in front and follow the instructions above. And once you've done that, IMO, we should let this thread sink into the archives so it can be bumped up if anyone else wants to know how to create a poll...

I was also wondering if it refers to pole dancing...

regmelocco wrote:

I was also wondering if it refers to pole dancing...

Yeah, some sort of pole-dancing illo occurred to me, and I also thought of the ten foot pole people say they wouldn't touch something with.

Glad your enjoying the pole, poll mess up.
I'll try to get that done Thursday.

My husband had cataract surgery Monday, doing great and will have other eye done Monday after Christmas. He was as bad as I was last spring before my cataract surgery which was legally blind.
I told him it is good its 2015, instead of 1915 because we would have had to get seeing eye dogs.

I'll see if I can get a POLL thread made tomorrow.

If you boys want to start pole dancing, go right ahead. I hear its good exercise

Skytiger wrote:

Glad your enjoying the pole, poll mess up.
I'll try to get that done Thursday.

My husband had cataract surgery Monday, doing great and will have other eye done Monday after Christmas. He was as bad as I was last spring before my cataract surgery which was legally blind.
I told him it is good its 2015, instead of 1915 because we would have had to get seeing eye dogs.

I'll see if I can get a POLL thread made tomorrow.

If you boys want to start pole dancing, go right ahead. I hear its good exercise

I just found out you've already created the poll thread and have already posted on it.

I'm really glad that both you and your husband have gone through serious eye problems and seem to be recovering normal siht without going through the hellish experiences I went through. I just saw my eye doctor on Monday and got a clean bill of health on the uveitis, though I'm going to have to take methotrexate as long as I live, and the surgery in both eyes was successful enough that I have something approaching normal vision.
and I'm just as glad as you are that it's 2015 instead of 1915. Scary as the modern world is, things like modern medicine are still pretty impressive and I'm making a serious effort to think about this when the news starts depressing me.

Skytiger wrote:

The world a better place would be if all religions fell and only love was left.

(Wanted to do a pole, but couldn't find how to do it.)

I don't think that it would.  Souls come here to learn about themselves and if we all sat around all day we would never learn about ourselves and how far we can push our boundaries or how strong we are.
Many things are learned in war that are under the surface to the human psyche.

Lady Guinevere wrote:

Skytiger wrote:

The world a better place would be if all religions fell and only love was left.

(Wanted to do a pole, but couldn't find how to do it.)

I don't think that it would.  Souls come here to learn about themselves and if we all sat around all day we would never learn about ourselves and how far we can push our boundaries or how strong we are.
Many things are learned in war that are under the surface to the human psyche.

I totally agree, and its also important to consider that Jesus and a number of other greatly respected spiritual leaders are reported as saying, "Faith without works is dead" or an equivalent in basic meaning.

its also important to consider that Jesus and a number of other greatly respected spiritual leaders are reported as saying, "Faith without works is dead" or an equivalent in basic meaning.

I feel so to in this way that dying for your faith is the ultimate sacrifice one could make, well one that probably rates higher would be the sacrifice of your life for another.

I would like to see the various religious either removed or replaced with the truth, even if the God one worships turns out to be the leader of an ET expedition that populated the Earth, knowing that aspect of the truth would eliminate much negative attached to some of the religions.but like was said, what comparisons or competition would exist for people to know, test and better themselves, too much good sounds kind of like "Heaven" sitting around eating grapes and listening to harp music and the Angelic Choir.
But what do I know ? I can only guess in that area..

BigK, #9, re: "I would like to see the various religious either removed or replaced with the truth, even if the God one worships turns out to be the leader of an ET expedition that populated the Earth, knowing that aspect of the truth would eliminate much negative attached to some of the religions.but like was said, what comparisons or competition would exist for people to know, test and better themselves, too much good sounds kind of like "Heaven" sitting around eating grapes and listening to harp music and the Angelic Choir. But what do I know ? I can only guess in that area.

This has always also been my own attitude towards religion: I believe there is such a thing as "spiritual reality", and we can learn quite a bit about it by purely rational means. Enough people have memories of past lives on Earth and other worlds to make a good case for both reincarnation and the existence of civilizations more advanced than ours elsewhere in the universe. There's also evidence that the Law of Karma is as natural as the Law of Gravity, and so are the Golden Rule and the Law of Love. ("You reap what you sow", "Treat others as you want them to treat you," and "Love others as much as you love youself."

I've always considered religions a product of human ego.
Spirituality is our connection to our true identity/Ego.
IMO

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Spirituality is our connection to our true identity

If
Spirituality is our connection to our true identity why is it so hard to obtain a higher level of? It's not only hard work to figure out but takes trust to change our actions.

I personally think it's more a created product in order for the tribal evolution to flourish. but whadda I know.

IMO ego is selfish, and Ego is Selfless.
We should strive to be Selfless instead od selfish.
By doing so we advance Spiritually.
We come from Spirit as that is who we really are.
Why are we here? To experience everything, that we might understand more.
IMO

4play wrote:

Quote :

Spirituality is our connection to our true identity

If
Spirituality is our connection to our true identity why is it so hard to obtain a higher level of? It's not only hard work to figure out but takes trust to change our actions.

I personally think it's more a created product in order for the tribal evolution to flourish. but whadda I know.

I consider this a reasonable question, and my personal answer is that only a very small percentage of our mental activity takes place on a conscious level, which is why people like Sky and I talk about the "ego" versus the "Ego". The former is our conscious self-awareness and the latter is our total self-awareness, and most of our learning takes place on the sub-conscious level.

I am always drawn to genesis 11... which tells/says to me that "one-mindedness holds a great power" ...genesis  quote something as ('n nothing they purposed to do was beyond them)

So it seems to me that the god of all knowledge 'n wisdom did foresee a danger in a sense of what could take place through the man by his ignorance and mankind could actually destroy, knock out of order even the universe...

why do I say that, well because, maybe remember the man had (was given) an authority in his speaking (which was the same as making it so!) what so ever he said the animals were was so... (symbolically suggesting man's authority in creation)

Such power was then removed after god the truth did see that which was on man's mind, so the power was removed from man's grasp by the dividing of minds (no longer one mind of power as one mind cancels power of another) 'n to this day that seemingly law remains...

Ah'k let's see if this posts...

Yup, it posted.

And before I try to answer, I'd like to know if these are the Bible verses you had in mind:

Genesis 11:1-9 New International Version (NIV)

The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

RR, yes... those are the words in which I see that which I posted... yet i would mention two other verses to consider...

BTW I rarely use chapter verse in reference to scriptures, I figure if you are going to converse in the scriptures ya should be able to speak what you see (in mind) and believe and that should co inside with the scripts (does not break the scripts)

first one is god did not want his creation to live forever in the realm of duality, as this is really not possible in a sense (think about that?)

the next thing I would mention is the Pentecost (the reinstatement of one mind) as they all (who were in a sense divided by (speech/dialect/language) heard the same word of reality...

power of reality restored to them which in a sense were again of one mind, but under direction of the spirit of ONE truth...

No more twofold divisive contentious mind among them...

jyp, #17, re: : "RR, yes... those are the words in which I see that which I posted... yet i would mention two other verses to consider... BTW I rarely use chapter verse in reference to scriptures, I figure if you are going to converse in the scriptures ya should be able to speak what you see (in mind) and believe and that should co inside with the scripts (does not break the scripts)"

I don't have enough information from the Judeo-Christion scriptures in my memory to form an opinion on most comments based on it, so I usually Google up some references to specific passages.

re: "first one is god did not want his creation to live forever in the realm of duality, as this is really not possible in a sense (think about that?)"

I personally believe that the human soul probably lives forever, but I've never seen evidence that this is a certainty, and it doesn't do it in the realm of duality. Earthly life is the realm of duality in the sense that it has a beginning and end, and reincarnation transcends this condition, but the soul does it by spending time in the disembodied condition, where space and time seem to be different than they are on the Earth plane.

re: "the next thing I would mention is the Pentecost (the reinstatement of one mind) as they all (who were in a sense divided by speech/dialect/language) heard the same word of reality...:"

The Pentecost events are among those that stick in mind, because they seem to refer to events that are familiar to me as a Spiritualist, and I find it amusing that there are so many conflicting opinions about them among Christians today. The Catholic Church teaches that these events are so rare in the modern era that people who perform them are eligible for sainthood, but there are numberous Protestant sects that claim anyone can do them, including some that call themselves "Pentecostalists".

In my opinion Telepathy has no language restrictions..all can understand if this is the means employed..anyway, it has worked for me a few times..

BigK wrote:

In my opinion Telepathy has no language restrictions..all can understand if this is the means employed..anyway, it has worked for me a few times..

This has also always been my viewpoint on telepathy and other psychic powers, and the WiH channelings provided detailed descriptions of the hows and whys.

IMO, the key to understanding is to realize that the human brain is a biocomputer that stores and moves information in a coded form that's programmed into its physical structure on a deeper level than the one that uses verbalized language. This means that information transmitted and received telepathically is in "preverbal" symbols that can be translated into whatever verbal language the person involved in happens to be using at the time.

I pretty much speak from my mind pictures, symbols 'n parables that just seem to arrive at times...

anyway trying to stay tuned into conversation at hand, I'd comment in reference to telepathy, saying "it's like ya gotta be able to tune in...

Like ole song from sixties, "turn your radio on"...

the probably I see with this is "static"...'n we are like a paradox (if that is right word) by that I mean our inner thinking voice is the constant static interruption to information/knowledge...

going a bit further in thought, I believe All knowledge is available in the air so to say, BUT!, only to those who are able to " shud up'ah yu mout and listen...

I have found this difficult next to impossible, comparing it to maybe shutting down our heart beat and breathing...

anyone understand what or what I am trying to say?...

For me it's best to be in the middle of nowhere, just nature around, still it can be hard to shut my mind up. However if I don't think about 'how to do it' it just comes naturally, what they call meditation. To me its talking with my guide, or guardian angels.

Sky I read what ya said and I agree!... "jus let it happen in a sense"... yet I believe "we must first direct our, let it happen"...

what I mean is "invoke a direction"... I also believe this because, if we don't than we are subject to anything (good or evil) that is blowing in the wind to enter our mind/heart and take up residence within us...

Now I will share what I do!... I verbally open communication in spirit (words) I wish to address...

ya know like ya can say "dear creator", then I (knowing I am by my human nature moving down hill or away from the light of life which is absolute truth)

I know I am moving away from the light, as I see a shadow of myself lying flat on the earth leading me?... (therefore I know I am walking away from the light of truth) and I am following my natural own ideas... (which are always selfish)

so in seeing that it is only my natural mind of me leading, so I then allow the turning of the heart by calling out for help (calling on the name of the truth in so the veil is removed) 'n request what is written for "my daily living bread"...

"my request is ALWAYS met"...

What I need, is always there waiting for me...

So how do I know it is from the creator/god...

the answer (in a revelation) will always be based on being transformed from death into 'n entity of perfect Love...

Last night that voice had me up at three AM... I believe that voice is my Adamic (spirit) helpmeet?...

I wait for the death of this helpmeet, that I may marry another, even the spirit of truth...

"I die daily as truth replaces the judgmental lie"...

It is a painful experience dying daily, but I believe in the end those pains of a new birth shall be turned to joy in that one new man be born...