Agree or Disagree??

Kim asks, anyone understand what or what I am trying to say?... jy says ah hah! the voice is as a sneaky snake in the garden!...

BigK wrote:

thejunkyardpoet wrote:

Kim asks, anyone understand what or what I am trying to say?... jy says ah hah! the voice is as a sneaky snake in the garden!...

Yes, but I have in found times past that I was the sneaky snake in the garden and the voice pointed this out to  me..

Yes! This concept has also been one of the cornerstones I've built my own life and psychic activities around. it not only ties in with the Biblical myth of the "fall" of Adam and Eve (which actually describes the creation of human intelligence and free will), but also with the Hindu legend I just posted about down in the "Music" Library Forum.

Kim says: Yes, but I have in found times past that I was the sneaky snake in the garden and the voice pointed this out to me..

jy says: yes I too have encountered the adversary and it is the insidious two fold mind which serves a lie (deception) of THINKING I am free...

so figuratively speaking from the genesis ...

It was this judgmental mind which came to reign in mankind, triggered by a question! and it is that which really holds mankind as a prisoner or slave (much like those who were enslaved and forced to serve the fleshly "if it feels good to the flesh mind, do it", the mind in ruling Egypt ...

To be free from this master of the natural flesh mind, we must find the one undivided truth, which is the only way of overcoming/escaping the adversary two fold mind of deception...

thejunkyardpoet wrote:

Kim says: Yes, but I have in found times past that I was the sneaky snake in the garden and the voice pointed this out to  me..

jy says: yes I too have encountered the adversary and it is the insidious two fold mind which serves a lie (deception) of THINKING I am free...

so figuratively speaking from the genesis ...

It was this judgmental mind which came to reign in mankind, triggered by a question! and it is that which really holds mankind as a prisoner or slave (much like those who were enslaved and forced to serve the fleshly "if it feels good to the flesh mind, do it", the mind in ruling Egypt ...

To be free from this master of the natural flesh mind, we must find the one undivided truth, which is the only way of overcoming/escaping the adversary two fold mind of deception...

Are you claiming that human intelligence and free will are evil rather than good, and that people should run their lives according to "the will of God" as described in written scriptures and explained by preachers?

RR asks, Are you claiming that human intelligence and free will are evil rather than good, and that people should run their lives according to "the will of God" as described in written scriptures and explained by preachers?

RR, my answer is yes and no!

I will quote Paul when saying "do as I do", yet this does not mean follow him, but follow the spirit of truth"...

BUT, "how shall we know the spirit of truth from our own spirit speaking (which be that sneaky two fold SEEMINGLY RIGHT judgmental voice of GOOD 'N EVIL) the audible voice in our head of our Adamic helpmeet?"...

But, we shall know that spirit of truth, as its speaking in a revelation of light which is based on love, a love which is not divided, nor can it be divided, as a love of the judgmental natural mind of the twofold mind of self, based on good 'n evil...

the love of god is greater than the love which is subject to self concern in the divided world...

All I can say in answer to this is that both Charles Manson and David Koresh have
claimed to have been directly inspired by God Almighty, so there has to be more to
figuring out what "spirit of truth" is saying than looking inwardly.

Sky, #33:

I second everything you just said, but IMO, it's also necessary
to add that so-called "Holy Scripture" can contain passages
that any sensible person has to consider evil, such as those
that describe "God" raining down fire and brimstone on whole
cities and committing genocide against the inhabitants. So
it's not just the words of people we consider to be villains
that have to be ignored, but sometimes the words of the
Biblical "prophets" as well. For example, when I read how
Moses reacted when he came down from the mountain
with the Ten Commandments and found the Hebrews still'
worshiping the Great Goddess, as they always had, I have
to class him among the Bad Guys, not the Good Guys, and
figure that his not surviving to enter the "Promised Land"
was actually a sign of "divine justice" being done.

Re #34

IMHO every time a natural occurrence happened / happens, that cannot be explained or completely understood by humans, someone will take it as an opportunity to say God did it. To them it's the perfect excuse to use fear to control others.

Also IMO, some 'religious' leaders tend to throw a hissy fit when followers, or potential followers, don't do everything they tell them to do. Moses did this when he came down the mountain. The 10 Commandments do indeed offer some good things to go by, but should not be forced on people. What people do is left up to their free will, and should be, in order for us to grow, learn and advance.

Skytiger wrote:

Re #34

IMHO every time a natural occurrence happened / happens, that cannot be explained or completely understood by humans, someone will take it as an opportunity to say God did it. To them it's the perfect excuse to use fear to control others.

Also IMO, some 'religious' leaders tend to throw a hissy fit when followers, or potential followers, don't do everything they tell them to do. Moses did this when he came down the mountain. The 10 Commandments do indeed offer some good things to go by, but should not be forced on people. What people do is left up to their free will, and should be, in order for us to grow, learn and advance.

It's also important to remember that the Old Testament describes Moses as dumping his wife and family
and running off to become a prophet, as if this were a perfectly normal and ethical thing to do.