Where do we go after Death

[size=30]Proof Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death[/size]
Just a bit of intro from this site:
"A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ contains a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever.
The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible.
Lanza is an expert in regenerative medicine and scientific director of Advanced Cell Technology Company.
Before he has been known for his extensive research which dealt with stem cells, he was also famous for several successful experiments on cloning endangered animal species.
But not so long ago, the scientist became involved with physics, quantum mechanics and astrophysics.
This explosive mixture has given birth to the new theory of biocentrism, which the professor has been preaching ever since.?........."
http://www.zengardner.com/quantum-theory-proves-consciousness-moves-another-universe-death-2/


Now I have experienced souls and lifetimes and people think that I am making it up and or I am in a fantasy land.  Here is scientific evidence that cannot be thrown out.  I know that some here have also had these occurences. (My spelling sucks today).  Oh and I know that those who don't beleive will have something to say abut all this....

Skytiger wrote:

I know we are eternal souls having a lifetime on earth.
Never thought that our souls go to another universe. My thinking is we return to our true home of spirit which is in a higher vibration than here on earth, yet very close to earth, more like a few layers from us. Picture a onion and the many layers it has.

We do incarnate on many worlds and in many universes IMO as we are eternal and each incarnation is an opportunity to put into action what we learn in Spirit.  Each planet is a classroom, each universe a different college offering endless subjects and classes to learn in.

When I read the title and then read the post in it's entirety to the link that I provided, I thought about Narnia....you know The Lion. The Witch and The Wardrobe and then the last one that came about, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader.  I did a look up of that because I did read once before that it was about the state of England, and then couldn't find that one agai and in it's place was that it was about religion and Aslan as the God.  I looked into it deeper and another thing came out of that and it was about Narnia being a different planet.  The children had to grow up (spritually and mentally) and they could not do that in their real lives.  It was very interesting and got me to thinking about other planets and Universes and times.

I have always known that I always was and is and will be. I have no beginning nor ending. even though the body I reside in now is 58 years of age, it doesn't matter. I know when it perishes I will always be and that is something I know intuitively. While I may not remember floating out of my body, I have had similar experiences in my dream. I have a large book of my dreams that I know is on a soul level and where my journey is taking me. and it is no where on this earth realm.

Have you ever felt that your dreams are reality and this waking life are just our dreams?  I have had that expeience a few times.  It's not like Lucid dreaming but it is strange.

yes some of my dreams I wake up and feel like it was more real than ever. I have several dreams with my ex husband. we are always in the Chicago area conversing and talking about which way our lives have gone. There is a deep connection always to him in spirit. I do understand what you are saying. YES...

Patty wrote:

I have always known that I always was and is and will be.  I have no beginning nor ending.  even though the body I reside in now is 58 years of age, it doesn't matter.  I know when it perishes I will always be and that is something I know intuitively.  While I may not remember floating out of my body, I have had similar experiences in my dream.  I have a large book of my dreams that I know is on a soul level and where my journey is taking me.  and it is no where on this earth realm.  

One of the main points of my own writings on this subject over many years is that almost everybody has the knowledge you just described deep in their subconscious minds, and many different kinds of experiences can bring it into conscious focus.

I agree. my own awakening happened at the age of 16. It started with hearing the voice of Jesus. after many years as a christian I heard the voice again tell me to pick up a book from Deepak Chopra on how to know God. I fought at first saying to myself that I already knew him, however picking up that book was the best thing I ever did. It brought me to the world of sub atomic particles and quantum mechanics and I started to see spirit on more of a level of the unseen world.

Patty wrote:

I agree.  my own awakening happened at the age of 16.  It started with hearing the voice of Jesus.  after many years as a christian I heard the voice again tell me to pick up a book from Deepak Chopra on how to know God.  I fought at first saying to myself that I already knew him, however picking up that book was the best thing I ever did.  It brought me to the world of sub atomic particles and quantum mechanics and I started to see spirit on more of a level of the unseen world.

One of the most powerful examples of this I can think of is found in the following poem by William Blake. He apparently found the discoveries of modern science, which were getting major publicity in the mid-19th century when he was writing, as evidence to support rather than contradict his strong belies in the supernatural:

Mock On, Mock On, Voltaire, Rousseau

Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau;
Mock on, mock on; 'tis all in vain!
You throw the sand against the wind,
And the wind blows it back again.
And every sand becomes a gem
Reflected in the beams divine;
Blown back they blind the mocking eye,
But still in Israel's paths they shine.

The Atoms of Democritus
And Newton's Particles of Light
Are sands upon the Red Sea shore,
Where Israel's tents do shine so bright.

And here is a comment on the poem I even learned something from myself, namely in the last line:

"Voltaire and Rousseau, the heroes of the Enlightenment mock the sacred. However, the poet sees also in the mundane the potential for sacralization. The atoms of Democritus and Newton’s particles of light are the most elevated grasp of reality that science offers us. (One can also add to these examples more modern ones.) These theories are the sand on the shores of the Red Sea where the miracle of the Exodus from Egypt occurred and because of this miracle the material also became sacred. In the second stanza Blake yet gives free rein to his naïve feelings of revenge: The wind that blows back the sand to those who throw it causes the mocking Eye to go blind. But it is possible to explain the line thus: the blindness of the mocking eye is the elimination of partial sight that creates the mockery. From here on there will be a comprehensive vision that will see how the mundane is part of the sacred because each particle of sand reflects the sacred beams Divine. It is surprising how much this poem expresses the spirit of the religious philosophy of R. Abraham Isaac Kook (1860-1935) and his disciples. One should add that in Hebrew, the word mundane or secular is a homonym with the word for sand"

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/mock-on-mock-on-voltaire-rousseau/

A Course in Miracles basically says that this so called reality is a dream we are having. Someday we will awaken from our Dream of Separation, realizing we are part of Creator.

Skytiger wrote:

A Course in Miracles basically says that this so called reality is a dream we are having. Someday we will awaken from our Dream of Separation, realizing we are part of Creator.

And isn't this the same message that the New Testament reports Jesus as preaching in First century Palestine, and the Buddha preaching in India five hundred years before that?

Skytiger wrote:

I know we are eternal souls having a lifetime on earth.
Never thought that our souls go to another universe. My thinking is we return to our true home of spirit which is in a higher vibration than here on earth, yet very close to earth, more like a few layers from us. Picture a onion and the many layers it has.

We do incarnate on many worlds and in many universes IMO as we are eternal and each incarnation is an opportunity to put into action what we learn in Spirit.  Each planet is a classroom, each universe a different college offering endless subjects and classes to learn in.

I just got an Outlook e-mail from you saying that the messages you're posting here on RR aren't appearing on the boards. I answered that I hope the problem is a temporary one and will go away by itself, so please try to post a reply to this, and if it doesn't appear on the boards, send me another e-mail...

For the second time writing this reply:

My awakening happened when something horrible was happening to me.  I was being raped in my own bedroom by a co-worker.  I don't remember the actual act, but do remember being taken out of my body.  Everythig was in a yellow haze and Jesus was there.  He wrapped his arm around me and told me, "Everything is going to be OK."  That stared me on the journey to find the truth because that changed my whole life.  I was told by three different clergy that it was all my fault.  The journey has not ended still and it happened in 1985....
I have my event in a poem if anyone is interested.

Lady Guinevere wrote:

For the second time writing this reply:

My awakening happened when something horrible was happening to me.  I was being raped in my own bedroom by a co-worker.  I don't remember the actual act, but do remember being taken out of my body.  Everythig was in a yellow haze and Jesus was there.  He wrapped his arm around me and told me, "Everything is going to be OK."  That stared me on the journey to find the truth because that changed my whole life.  I was told by three different clergy that it was all my fault.  The journey has not ended still and it happened in 1985....
I have my event in a poem if anyone is interested.

This is the first time I've seen this particular message, and I've known people all my life who've had similar experiences, including the yellow haze. I've had a number of NDE's over the course of a long, rather hard life, and I've also been wrapped in the yellow haze, though the beings who came to my rescue were always conceived as being "Spirit Guides", not any kind of supernatural beings.

And this thread is evidence that there's some kind of problem in the computer equipment that controls how messages post on these threads. My message above was actually a comment on a message of yours that has now completely disappeared, not on the message of Sky's that it follows. I'm hoping that things are back to normal and will stay that way...

Realityrebel wrote:

Skytiger wrote:

I know we are eternal souls having a lifetime on earth.
Never thought that our souls go to another universe. My thinking is we return to our true home of spirit which is in a higher vibration than here on earth, yet very close to earth, more like a few layers from us. Picture a onion and the many layers it has.

We do incarnate on many worlds and in many universes IMO as we are eternal and each incarnation is an opportunity to put into action what we learn in Spirit.  Each planet is a classroom, each universe a different college offering endless subjects and classes to learn in.

I just got an Outlook e-mail from you saying that the messages you're posting here on RR aren't appearing on the boards. I answered that I hope the problem is a temporary one and will go away by itself, so please try to post a reply to this, and if it doesn't appear on the boards, send me another e-mail...

I missed my thread, Thought for the Day, which you fixed.
We have been traveling the last few days, so only posting in evenings. That's why there are fewer posts from me.  Also I think our tower in TX was acting up and not sending posts as I wanted. The only tower that reaches us, it messes up, we have no other tower. On the road its better and faster.
I think everything should be ok now. Have a couple more days on road.

Skytiger wrote:

Realityrebel wrote:

Skytiger wrote:

I know we are eternal souls having a lifetime on earth.
Never thought that our souls go to another universe. My thinking is we return to our true home of spirit which is in a higher vibration than here on earth, yet very close to earth, more like a few layers from us. Picture a onion and the many layers it has.

We do incarnate on many worlds and in many universes IMO as we are eternal and each incarnation is an opportunity to put into action what we learn in Spirit.  Each planet is a classroom, each universe a different college offering endless subjects and classes to learn in.

I just got an Outlook e-mail from you saying that the messages you're posting here on RR aren't appearing on the boards. I answered that I hope the problem is a temporary one and will go away by itself, so please try to post a reply to this, and if it doesn't appear on the boards, send me another e-mail...

I missed my thread, Thought for the Day, which you fixed.
We have been traveling the last few days, so only posting in evenings. That's why there are fewer posts from me.  Also I think our tower in TX was acting up and not sending posts as I wanted. The only tower that reaches us, it messes up, we have no other tower. On the road its better and faster.
I think everything should be ok now. Have a couple more days on road.

It looks to me like something went wrong with the forumotion servers and the messages LadyG was posting here were disappearing. This problem seems to have been corrected. The moving of your "Thought for the Day" thread was simply a stupid error I made while I was moving stuff around, and I'm hoping I won't be doing much off that. But in any case it looks like things are back to normal here.

Lady Guinevere wrote:
For the second time writing this reply:

My awakening happened when something horrible was happening to me. I was being raped in my own bedroom by a co-worker. I don't remember the actual act, but do remember being taken out of my body. Everythig was in a yellow haze and Jesus was there. He wrapped his arm around me and told me, "Everything is going to be OK." That stared me on the journey to find the truth because that changed my whole life. I was told by three different clergy that it was all my fault. The journey has not ended still and it happened in 1985....
I have my event in a poem if anyone is interested.


first I am sorry you went through that but at the same time happy it started something new for you. I would love for you to post your event...in a poem.

Yeah, that's a very powerful poem, and i wish more Americans of both genders and all ages were psychologically prepared to take the feelings expressed at face value instead of retreating into the never-never land of "mental health issues". I remember at the heyday of the Beat movement, someone published a one line poem: "It hurts to be murdered." And it also hurts to be the victim of sexual abuse, but all too many people want to sweep it under the rug.

RR, I did tell my parents and my mom did in fact tell me to sweep it under the rug.  My life has been changed so drastically.  I had to get a ride, when my husband ended up in the hospital a few years ago, to get the car.  That scared me to pieces.  Even though he was a security guard, I was still a mess inside.  I could not wait until we got there to get out of that car.  My rape was back in 1985 and I did go to counselng but things seem to bleed through even that. You see it was not date-rape or that I was out in the dark by myself and they really didn't have anyway to help me back then becasue most people who are raped don't know their attacker and I did.  He also knew where I lived and the times that I was home and when my kids went to school.  This was the last of the events because he sexual abused me before he got to his final deal.  Yes, I tried to tell others, but it didn't register with them.  One friend told me that I really wanted it.  PTSD I will always have.
Ha!  I don't trust my neighbor across the street.  He says that he is gay, but he told me something one day and then told me to apologize to my husband.  Hey why not apologize to the person whom you said it too....ME.  Then he stated somethign else that was really gross and right in front of my husband too.  You see, I can NEVER trust another man.  It took me seven years after my divorce to get out and date another.  7 YEARS!! My current husband and I have just celebrated our 18th anniversary on November 8.
Rape is not a one time deal in the mind and body of the one who is raped.

My worst feelings while reading messages like these are that I haven't the slightest idea how to deal with the myriad of problems caused by sexual abuse. Now, I realize that no civilization I've ever read about has been been able to to solve these problems, and all too many have either institutionalized certain kinds of abuse into their social contracts or made it a taboo subject that rarely gets mentioned at all, publicly or privately. So the well-publicized but still unsuccessful efforts to deal with them that are now taking place in most modern nations are a step in the right direction, but it looks to me like there is still a long way to go.

And the reasons actually have little to do with sexual abuse per se, but with a society's failures in the areas of criminal justice and mental health care. Even countries like Canada and Australia, which have institutions in both areas that are among the world's best still have lots of citizens telling horror stories about sexual abuse like the one you just told.

your poem is heart wrenching. I cannot for the life of me think a pastor or someone who is religious would even blame you. I don't care if you were naked, this man had no right to touch you.

I hear you and acknowledge you before all the heavens and on this earth and you are noticed by me today to tell you that this man was wrong, and you never were.

Shame on those who would not believe you and shoved it under a rug. weak minded people pleasers.

I'm sorry I seem rough, but you see I see and feel your pain and hope someday you could be completely free of it. I too have experienced pain and severe pain at that, and trust me when I say you deserved so much better.

I'm glad Jesus was with you but yet I still feel anguish down deep for what you endured.

I'm sooo sorry

Patty, I just had a response from someone on FB to just know that it was not my fault and to move on.  Obvioulsy they canot read the whole piece that I wrote.  Knowing the we have or are incarnated several times and that we have Karma, I have forgiven him.  
People get forgiving and forgetting all messed up and think that they are the same.  They are not the same at all.  If we are to forget, then we would never learn from the experience.
What I have learned is lots about religion, church and the powers that be in them and the roles of women and mend and the equation of God/Jesus in all of it.  It was the stepping stone for me to learn about me, as the creator and the God and what I have "allowed" other to do to me and what I have allowed me to do to me.

Lady Guinevere wrote:

Patty, I just had a response from someone on FB to just know that it was not my fault and to move on.  Obvioulsy they canot read the whole piece that I wrote.  Knowing the we have or are incarnated several times and that we have Karma, I have forgiven him.  
People get forgiving and forgetting all messed up and think that they are the same.  They are not the same at all.  If we are to forget, then we would never learn from the experience.
What I have learned is lots about religion, church and the powers that be in them and the roles of women and mend and the equation of God/Jesus in all of it.  It was the stepping stone for me to learn about me, as the creator and the God and what I have "allowed" other to do to me and what I have allowed me to do to me.

My slant on all this is that you seem to have made significant use of the increased awareness about many different aspects of reality from this awful set of experiences, and are also capable of writing about it in terms that will be get through to people from a wide variety of backgrounds. This is more in the way of "good works" than most people do in an entire lifetime, and you should feel proud of yourself. None of us can escape our Karma, but we do have the option of making the best of how it's worked out during a particular lifetime.

Darn it all.  I was writing a nice note and my computer crashed.
Thank you for your compliments and when I remember all of my thoughts then I will write them again later.